I wrote this as a reply to RacerX-y=0(y=0) after my original post was removed questioning his method, ethics and overall effort when it came to Growth clips. He lied to get the original post removed and then he lied to make it look like he was taking the high road and I was just being a bitch. I didn’t care about that so I kept on about what I did which was growth clips, shots, effort and runs in pantyhose.

Originally Posted January 16th 2008
I like and respect Lorekeep. He 100% for the cause of this community. I cannot think of a good reason why he would delete my post but I will not repost it. None of the emails we exchanged today and this evening said anything about NOT posting on this subject.

I want to try and make this simple and VERY nice.

TIMELINE

-You made growth clips.

-Taylor and myself not even aware of growth clips

-You make more carbon copies of the same growth clips

-Taylor and myself become aware of growth clips and I contact Lorekeep about possibly making one together

-You make more carbon copies of the same growth clips

-Lorekeep emails me and says he’d like us to make a growth clip which results in the release of “Taylor Grows Very Drunk” which does extremely well and shows a concerted effort to produce something of quality and not be derivative.

-You make more carbon copies of the same growth clips

-Mistress Taylor Presents releases “Orgasmic Growth” and then “Growing Busty” which again do extremely well and show a concerted effort to produce something of quality and not be derivative.

-You suddenly feel the need to ask the members of the community what they want to see and even though they have been saying the same things for quite awhile(like in that thread you keep linking to as if thats the only time anyone has ever said anything about your clips) YOU SUDDENLY DECIDE THEY ARE IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO LISTEN TO!

-You make another carbon copy of the same growth clips except this time you add shots you copy almost exactly from Taylor’s clips and announce there is a lot more of that great stuff on the way.

-Offense is taken from the Taylor camp after viewing the high priced clip with the padded running time and I come here and post about the similiarities.

-You post a list of sources you could have emulated since you started making the carbon copies but for some reason have brought up now as if its IN ANY WAY RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE

A LOOK INTO THE FUTURE

-You make more carbon copies of the same “Taylor” growth clips

I know posting my gripes about your clip here was a bad move for us in a business sense. But we aren’t just about the bottom line. Frequently to our own detriment we actually care about what people think and say about what we make.

We have been doing this long enough to know the community loves more and more product to choose from and my post here may be seen as something that may harm that goal.

But its happened to us in other fetishes where we produce something really good and it raises the bar for other producers who monetarily get hurt when that happens.

They can either get out of cruise control and actually try and be creative again(Its called competition) or they can look at what we have done, copy it repeatedly and because of their entrenched position take back the control of their marketplace until the threat is extinguished.

Of course then you will try to create something new and different for the community right Gary?

Here is a repost from the Process-Productions Forum talking about the current state of the growth clip world. I’ll add any further comments I made on that forum and a couple posts by other members I found either interesting or just funny. I will probably add some of the stuff I decided not to say on that forum like detailing his lies when I first attacked him in his thread. The only reason I didn’t call him out for being a liar then or when I posted the “Greed & Flip Flips” thread was I would have to bring Lorekeep into it and that I didn’t want to do. RacerX-y=0(y=0) certainly didn’t mind using the fact that Lorekeep didn’t want to get involved to tell some half truths and outright lies.

Posted on March 28th 2008

There are members here who will tell you that I talk to them in PMs and emails quite frequently because getting input and feedback is something we thrive on as we aren’t the “Buy it because its what we make and you don’t have anyone else making anything for you do you?” types that you see not just in growth fetish but across many fetishes. One impression that most people have is that GiantProfitZone is close to being a break even business. Even Lorekeep said to me once “He makes enough each month so he can produce another set of clips”.

Well if its SO TIGHT money wise over there how come when we started making clips, which you would think would cut into his meager profits and therefore his cash flow, did he bring down the considerable length of his growth clips from 16-18 minutes down to a still padded 10-12 minutes while tripling the amount of time it took to shoot and adding props that cost more than a pair of flip flops and those “10 for $10″ t-shirts he kept using? Doesn’t seem like it would be worth to start making growth clips at well over the previous established pace but growth fans know his output suddenly saw a major step up in amount of clips produced.(See my “TIMELINE” post)

OK I KNOW he’s been making sizefetish clips since the cinema hit the sound era. But you know I looked into his early stuff like “Return to Argon” and “Divine Intervention” and I saw what I thought was some pretty cool shit! Absolutely! I love stuff where it the filmmaker thinks and shoots for something thats really way out of his reach but the resulting movie can have more inspiration and creativity than so many multi multimillion dollar pictures. They looked like something I wanted to see. Honestly. Then i hit the order page and saw the $50 price tag and I could see what happened. Greed. He got used to a certain percentage return for his investment and efforts and probably has only tried since when his cash flow is threatened.

He don’t give two shits about his videos you know that right? Don’t you get annoyed that he answers so many questions by spewing financial jargon like “price elasticity” or referring to his “long tail”? The ONLY THING that will make him start caring is if a financial hit is seen on his monthly take. That happened when we came around so he made a SLIGHT adjustment while claiming to be looking after the best interests of the community with his saint like ‘What Can I Do To Improve Because I CARE” threads.

He’s already declared that he won’t go under 10-12 minutes because thats not cost effective. Well he pays models $100 bucks an hour and it takes him 3-4 hours to make the clip.
Well I can see the logic there.[/sarcasm]
If he sells 300 in the first month at $12 a piece plus the 99 cent charge he passes on to you(we get the same $1 charge per transaction but have you ever heard us even mention it before?) that ONLY COMES TO $3,900 in the first 30 days or $3,500 if you remove the model’s fee.
Take out an EXTREMELY EXCESSIVELY HIGH(probably over double) estimate of $600 to produce the clip including editing, props, the shoes, shirt, electricity, tape stock, food services, server space for hosting, bandwidth and shit even his bank fees and you still come up with a total of $2,900.

WELL THE MAN HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO MAKE ALMOST A 300% PROFIT ON EVERY CLIP IN THE FIRST 30 DAYS ALONE HASN’T HE??? HASN’T HE???

And thats just his profit when he’s getting *A LOT* of bad press it seems. Can you even imagine what kind of bank he was seeing before or on his first “I Care About YOU Now” Style growth clip that everyone bought at the Insane PRICE OF $17!

If you doubt these numbers remember we were on his site and we sell growth clips. We had Growing Busty go to #1 at clips4sale and then completely leave the toplist before we posted it at FemdomGiantess on his site. The amount of copies we sold in the first 14 days would have put the clip BACK AT #1 at clips4sale. Thats the kind of market share he’s already got BEFORE he posts in this forum in the thread our name(& Lorekeep’s I guess since he’s a producer) has been banned from.

Now here we are busting our fucking asses and spending on average DOUBLE what he does per clip in budgets but we know because there isn’t enough competition that most everyone will continue to buy his substandard AND now FREQUENT clips. WHAT WOULD ANY OTHER PRODUCER DO? Start matching him in quality and beating him in quantity. Why not? Why should we still spend 8-10 hours paying a model $100 an hour and spending upwards of 20-30 hours editing these clips? Why should we even try to have a different plot EVER? Its even obvious from the criticism of his clips that people are still buying & buying. Why do you think he has a policy of SLOOOOOW CHANGE? He’s got you so he doesn’t have to care what you think. Its not cost effective to care any more and pick up a few sales at best. Besides let me tell you from personal experience GROWTH CLIPS ARE FUCKING HARD TO MAKE. The concept of “trying hard” doesn’t fit into most “workflows” designed to maximize profits.

Let me translate the recent “Don’t mention MT(he couldn’t even say her full name–isn’t that telling?) in this thread again”
That means…
“LOOK I WON’T TRY ANY HARDER AND MAYBE I ACTUALLY CAN’T SO LEAVE ME ALONE THE CLIPS ARE SELLING ANYWAY AND AS LONG AS YOU STOP TELLING THE TRUTH IN MY THREAD THAT WILL CONTINUE AND I WILL CONTINUE TO BRING IN MY ?k A MONTH”(do the math just with growth clips-new releases plus older titles and then maybe times it by 4 or 5 to include the rest of the empire. WOW! Thats a big fucking number isn’t it? You probably thought he MAYBE made that in a YEAR! Nope… every fucking month.)

So three options left. 1. We make a decision to also make crap 2. We stop making growth clips 3. We could reduce our production level down to maybe a clip every month or two but then charge 2-3 times what we do now for it. Considering the situation that would be a fair return on our expenses and effort.
Again see the TIMELINE thread for how this happened(particularly the last few paragraphs)—Its coming true.

Now loyalty is something that is so hard to find in everyday life much less in a situation like this but don’t confuse loyalty with someone doing something he enjoys and getting paid out the wazoo for it. That is just being loyal to the dollar while the loyalty shown to him has been exploited more and more as years go by. I VERY MUCH RESPECT the loyalty this community has towards producers and even when it comes to copyrights it seems like there is a respect here that can’t be found hardly anywhere else. In my opinion you have done your part and have stuck by him but if he doesn’t start showing YOU LOYALTY by reducing the enormous “profit zone” to give you something better or at least with more honest effort behind it…

Again I know this is something that will put us in a bad light with the community but we are sitting on just one growth clip left in the can and to be honest its far from our best. We tried but it just didn’t “click”. But the important thing to mention is we don’t feel the urge to jump out and make more. Honestly we know the market would bear a steep raise in the price tag on our clips but we TRUTHFULLY aren’t comfortable with that kind of “profit zone”. We would end up spending even more money purely out of guilt. The “TIMELINE” is coming true.

If you made it this far… Thanks.